EDL Featured in BBC Documentary

EDL Featured in BBC Documentary

We’ve just finished watching ‘My Hometown Fanatics: Stacey Dooley Investigates’ on BBC Three.

The programme’s about the rise of radical Islam in Luton and those who are trying to stop it.

It’s being re-shown a few more times this week, and you’ll soon be able to watch it online on BBC iPlayer.

Unsurprisingly for the BBC, the message was very much in line with the BBC’s official take on Islamic extremism: the extremists are just a minority, and anyone who seems to suggest otherwise is also an extremist.

What we should make immediately clear to anyone unfamiliar with the EDL is that we don’t doubt that most Muslims are perfectly pleasant people.

But that doesn’t mean that problems associated with the Muslim Community are just down to a few bearded lunatics.

If we’re to put an end to ‘home-grown’ terrorism, so-called ‘honour-killings’, child grooming (which, sadly, is dominated by Muslim men), the preaching of extremism on our streets and in British Mosques, and all of the other problems that stem from the Muslim Community, then we can’t be afraid to make serious and considered criticisms.

We don’t claim to have all the answers, but we do believe that the government, the media and the Muslim Community itself must do more to address these problems.

The Muslims that the BBC likes to call ‘moderates’ may well be in the majority. But why are they moderates and not reformists?

Some British Muslims are making efforts to counter extremism. But how many?

How many would stand up against the radicals?

How many would even accept that people can have good reasons to be critical of the Muslim Community, or even fear it?

The answer is very few.

We do not need to be lectured about the importance of tolerance, or of understanding other cultures, because England is already a tolerant country.

Most people, most cultures, and most religions, do live in harmony. It’s exactly that sort of society that we want to protect.

The demand for Sharia Law is just one threat to our diverse communities (and it’s worth noting that there are already over 80 Sharia Law Courts operating in the UK!).

This limited form of Sharia may not have to include the cutting off of hands for theft, or stoning for adultery. It doesn’t even have to allow martial rape or the murder of homosexuals.

But even if it doesn’t include these things, it is still founded on the belief that Muslims and non-Muslims, and men and women, should not be given equal rights.

And that’s a legitimate worry.

What’s also true is that Sharia Law is rarely considered to be a limited system – one that could exist alongside the laws of the land. Instead, it is widely considered to be a complete moral and legal system, like that practiced in Saudi Arabia (where women are not permitted to drive, and your Bible will be burnt at the airport).

Britain is not Saudi Arabia, and we’d like to keep it that way.

We’re not saying this is going to happen tomorrow, but we are saying these sort of views are under-exposed – much like some of the other forms of extremism that thrive within the Muslim Community,

Unfortunately, the BBC didn’t see the irony of stereotyping the EDL as ‘the sort of people who stereotype Muslims’.

And we were not at all surprised to see the EDL depicted as a group of people who all believe exactly the same thing – exactly what we are accused of doing to the Muslim community!

But, this double standard aside, the documentary did manage to provide a reasonably accurate picture of the divisions in Luton; the divisions between the inhabitants of Bury Park (“It’s like a Muslim country; you’ll hardly see a white person some days”) and the rest of the town, as well as the divisions between the extremists and the radicals.

There is a need for documentaries like this, because few people do have an accurate impression of the tensions that exist in towns like Luton – unless they live there of course.

But not everyone can make a BBC documentary. Most people need to find other ways to talk about these issues, or other ways to protest.

Luckily there’s the English Defence League, an organisation that helps give a voice to people who have been constantly belittled, ignored and let down.

And, luckily, we’re becoming better and better at making sure that people’s understandable frustrations do not result in violence, intolerance, or any other kinds of extremism.

As Kevin Carroll famously said, we’re not racist, we’re not violent – we’re just no longer silent!

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25 comments

    1. Paul

      Simon is right. If the BBC one of the principle mass medias in the UK can’t even report the FACTS and state openly within which section of our society the problems originate from, how can we have any kind of open and sensible dialogue on these issues? Other media’s do the same because they are too afraid of reporting the ethnicities and saying Muslims for fear of being branded discriminatory or “racists”, and that is a symptom of a defective cultural marxist society gripped by political correctness. We as a society MUST break down those political correctness barriers which are anti-free speech and anti-democratic. We have a moral right to criticise aspects of Islam and to criticise media reporting (or lack of), government policy (or lack of) and police handling (or lack of).

  1. angelina

    Simon I concur with what you have said about Asian in stead of Muslim many countires come under that heading it is Muslim the religion called Islam that is the devil in the detail. So many ostriches it is unreal well you the appeasers will not be happy when they have pray 5 times a day to satan and wear BURKA’S AND THE MEN PYJAMAS. You will get no result from the leftie BBC, appeaser run riot there all hoping that they will not be eaten till last when the MUzzies get in to government and then turn on them because they are white infidels are they thick or just plain cowards???

    1. Paul

      Exactly right Angelina. It’s grossly unfair to the many Asian people in Britain who live here peacefully and integrate well into our society respecting our culture and values. The Indians, Chinese, Malaysians and many others. I have had many messages from non-Muslim Asian people on my YouTube channel frequently tell me how offended they feel by being grouped together and tarred with the same brush as Muslims. In a way, it’s a kind of racism and discrimination on them, by as you say, the cowards and traitors, would sooner shield the bad elements in our society rather than confront the issues so many people are concerned about. And it’s not just white British people either have these concerns, many other ethnicities share them.

  2. PD

    just watched this show on Iplayer and it’s what made me join the EDL site and want to have a bigger part in fighting for ours and our countries rights, I thought at first I was just open minded about muslims after things like 9/11, I thought they’re people too they’re not hurting anyone (most of them) but slowly over the last few years I’ve felt my acceptance was more ignorance and it was watching this show that has really opened my eyes to it, there were tonnes of things on this show I’ve never seen on the news or anything, maybe it was because I wasn’t looking or it’s not publicised enough but whatever reason more people need to get on board with fighting this extremist scum, I am highly against racism and discrimination but seeing these people chanting “UK go to hell” and “Islam will dominate the UK” how are we supposed to react??? well I for one will not be ignorant any longer after the way some of those disgraces for human beings treated that stacey girl was disgusting she was just trying to get they’re side of the story so they should be co-operative but no “allah” decided they have to be that way so treat a nice girl who has done absolutely nothing to you like a piece of crap on your shoe, I for one would like to see muslims carry on living in this country some of them are the nicest people you could ever meet but the types of muslims on this show need forcing out because if it carries on this way there’s going to be a civil war.

  3. Maximus Decimus Meridius smith

    NICELY WRITTEN PIECE! HONEST & FAIR. NOT JUDGEMENTAL NOR INTOLERANT NOR INDIGNANT. BUT WHEN WILL WE BE SEEING EDL DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT ISLAM & ITS RACIST APARTHEID RULINGS AS DEMANDED BY THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD. HE STATED THERE WAS ONLY ONE EXCEPTION, WHEN ISLAM DOES NOT HAVE THE STRENGTH AT THE IMMEDIATE MOMENT TO DOMINATE & KILL ITS OPPONENTS THAT ARE NON MUSLIMS. MUHAMMAD WAS A KILLING MACHINE INSIDE & OUT. WHERE WAS THE BBC’S EXPOSE ON THE KORAN & HIS SADISTIC LIFE. THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF CHRIST’S TEACHINGS AS OF THE UK FOR 2000 YEARS! CHRIST’S TEACHINGS THAT GIVE US FAIR DEMOCRACY TODAY. NO WHERE. THE BBC IS AS NEGLIGENT & GUILTY OF BETRAYAL AGAINST BRITAIN AS EDWARD & MRS SIMPSON WAS IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR THAT SIDE LITERALLY WITH ADOLF HITLER. WHERE WAS THE DOCUMENTED MUSLIM AGGRESSION ON A DAILY BASIS ON THE STREETS THAT ACTIVELY SEEKS TO INTIMIDATE & THREATEN PEACEABLE NONE MUSLIMS, THEN MUSLIMS CRY RACISM WITH THE RESPONSE. ITS SO EASY FOR THEM, THEIR THE ABUSED MINORITY. WOE IS THEY. HERE IS THE REAL DOUBLE STANDARD ISLAMIC GAMING & MOCKERY OF ISLAM AGAINST LAW ABIDING BRITISH SUBJECTS WHO PLAY BY THE QUEENSBURY RULES. THE MUSLIMS HAVE THE SITUATION PEGGED REALLY WELL. IF YOU TREAT THEM WITH HONESTY & FAIRNESS THEN YOU MAKE AN EASY TARGET TO BE PULLED DOWN LIKE THE RAGING LION TEARING INTO THE FLESH OF THE YOUNG GRAZING PLACID ANIMAL HERDS OF BRITAIN. THE BBC DOES NOT DO ANY FAVOURS FOR ADDRESSING THE REAL SITUATION.THE BBC THE CHARLATANS OF THE BRITISH NATION. ONE DAY WHEN ISLAM IS DESTROYING BRITAIN MORE BLATANTLY. I HOPE EVERY SINGLE BBC TOP BRASS ARE CRIMINALLY BROUGHT UP ON CHARGES OF HERESY & TREASON AGAINST THE ROYAL CROWN. HER MAJESTIES JUDICIAL SYSTEMS WILL INCARCERATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WITHOUT PAROLE! JUSTICE WILL BE DONE IN FULL VIEW OF ALL THE MEDIA! AT LAST THE BBC BROUGHT TO BARE FOR ITS CRIMES.AGAINST GOD, COUNTRY, HUMANITY & NATIONS.

  4. Simon Dalby

    So these Sharia law courts then, How exactly would they have dealt with the child rapists being tried at Liverpool crown court last week. let them go free I bet. because under Islam it’s ok to sleep with childen as young as 11 years old.
    Sick Very Sick.

  5. angelina

    http://www.radicalislam.org/videos/obamas-wink-muslim-brotherhood?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=U_S_+Far+From+Understanding+the+%22Global+Threat%22&utm_campaign=Radical+Islam+%2361&utm_term=_5BWATCH_5D
    Never what they think of EDL they we all need to watch this and we will all know what is coming we are not doing any where near enough to combat this. This is when we will all fall in the west if the US falls. Time to wake up and see this before it is too late. :-(

  6. menokuffar

    The witless bitch that presented the show had to be seen to be believed.
    No prizes for guessing who will be “Proud” and who will be ” Prejudiced” in next week’s “documentary.”

  7. ben keegan

    now in this program i believe i herd muslims say that the uk and th uk police should burn in hell now this bein the case y are they in the uk if they hate us so much if not to cause trouble

  8. Maximus Decimus Meridius smith

    THE DHIMMI BBC THE REAL THREAT TO THE BRITISH NATION & ITS FUTURE! IF THEY CANT TELL THE TRUTH NOW WHEN CAN THEY?
    CAMERON SEEMS TO FOLLOWS IN TONY BLAIR’S EUROPEAN UNION INDIGENOUS CAMPAIGNS TO FURTHER THE GLOBAL DIVIDE & RULE DIVERSITY IMMIGRATION POLICIES TO BREAK UP AUTONOMOUS INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES WITH VIOLENT ISLAM AS ITS STRIKE FORCE & DECEPTION & TRICKERY. THE EU , UN, FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS PLANS CAREFULLY SO YOU ARE WATCHING THE RIGHT HAND OF ISLAM & DON’T NOTICE THE LEFT HAD OF THE BANKER ELITE. ‘DIVERSITY & MULTICULTURALISM ‘ THE NEW OPIUM BANNER OF THE RULING BANKER FREEMASON ELITE OF THE EU , UN & FEDERAL RESERVE. THE ONE WORLD BANK HEADED BY THE ANTI CHRIST TO COME! THIS IS NO JOKE! SECULAR DIVERSITY FALSE MATERIALISTIC IDEOLOGY UNITED UNDER MONEY RULE IS THE CAPITALISTS ELITE DREAM. THAT WAY THEY HAVE CONTROL OF FISCAL ECONOMY & YOUR DESIRES TO SPEND & BUY. WHERE THE MONEY IS, WHO HOLDS THE PURSE, CONTROLS ALL. IT’S THE GAME MONOPOLY ON A GLOBAL SCALE!
    IT’S TO BRING IN THE ONE WORLD BANK TO RULE THEM ALL!! JUST LIKE LORD OF THE RINGS! THE ONE BANK TO RULE THEM ALL!!!!!!
    WHEN IS THE BBC EVER GOING TO AUTHENTICALLY TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BRITISH PEOPLE? THE TRUTH! OR BY THEIR EVIL HELPING HAND ARE THEY HOPING FOR A SHARE IN THE SPOILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. THERE BY GUARANTEEING THEIR FUTURE AGAINST THAT OF THE INDIGENOUS BRITISH POPULATION & ITS HISTORICAL CHRISTIAN LEGACY.

  9. Dean

    If these Muslims want sharia laws then they should go to and live in a country that already has them,and not expect this country to change our system to sut them. We have alredy bent over backwards to accomodate them,and their ways but they’re never satisfied. Taking over whole areas of the country. No wonder more and more people from all backgrounds are sick to the back teeth of them. They should never have let so many in the country several decades ago because people knew this was going to happen. The powers that be wouldn’t listen though,and now we have culltures that don’t mix being forced to live amongst each other. It will never work. In this country they should abide by our laws, or leave!

      1. Dean

        The thing is people wouldn’t mind so much whene thy kept themselves to themselves but they won’t. I mean,they openly say they want to turn the country in to a Muslim nation,and brag about it as well! The shouldn’t have the rights to force their way of life on everybody. Not only that but it’s their violence and threats of killing to all non-Muslims,and of course this child grooming as well. Many people are concerned about the future of our country,and those in power just keep letting them flood in,and pone law for them..another for the rest of us. The ELD are one of the few organisations who will do something about it.

        Welcome to the site by the way. I’m new on also. Had been looking at joining over the past few months having found out more and more what Muslims are up to. If things are left as they are we won’t have any country left a few more years down the line.

  10. Liam Bourne

    Anybody who makes their own opinion on this topic, after watching a documentary on television, does not deserve an opinion. Propaganda in this country is the main reason we are fighting this battle today.

  11. Thomas

    Thats because most of the BBC employees are in the UAF and they won’t hire anyone who don’t share there point of view and if they do hire you and then they find out that you support the EDL they will do there best to have you arrested and fired and they will proper dog you on the news Thats is the BBC for you.

  12. Andreas

    Well guys, just watched both of the programs, there’s no prejudice from me. My wife is from Russian decent even though she’s always been British. I’ve been there (Russia) for 2 months ( all over the country). Some plain facts – 14% percent of Russian population are muslims, that is fourteen (5% christians – 2% jews – 1,5% buddists) and the rest are native orthodox. – and as wild and far off from the Western Europe, Russia seems to be, and it is, they’ve never had this problem as such (apart from Chechnya, but it’s all about the oil, and by no means about religion or race). Cause their government would never allow it (even though they’ve got MANY faults) but there is a strong distinguish between political correctness and common bloody sense (what’s lacking from our authorities), how could they allow for 3% of people who don’t share the same view, to cause such a havoc. P.S. by the way I’m originally Lithuanian. We do live in TOWER HAMLETS, for thirteen years now. And I do remember when prior to September last year they’ve tried to get me to sign a petition against EDL ‘march’ (how they’ve called it) cause apparently you guys were going to raid our homes, smash all the shops and bring the chaos in, in general, but only afterwards, seeing for myself, I’ve realised that the real threat were the …..
    And to be honest as far as I have noticed, living in predominately muslim community – as individuals (one by one) they’re fine…(half of my friends are muslim, cause by living here you can’t avoid it, though I’ve never attempted to), but when they do get into a larger groups – that’s a different story… And in the way – I do share your point of view, cause i want my children to be raised in the country the way you see that it should be, and not the way any minority tries to inflict it upon us or our spineless governm….
    (sorry for any grammar or spelling mistakes, but that’s, just my humble, personal view)
    Thank You.

    1. Dean

      I’m not prejudiced either, but noticed how some of the extreme ones go on about we’re “racist” to them. They like to bandy that word around too often if they can’t get their own way,and in any case it’s the Muslims that are racist towards us, but they can get away with it! I’m sure some are okay on an individual basis but it’s when they are in large numbers,and see how they take over areas.and destroy them.

  13. nicky

    I found this program hard to watch in places and almost turned it over, but I’m glad I didn’t as it led me to this site.
    I was very happy with Steve’s comments and points of view. I felt they were in no way extreme, unlike most of the muslims interviewed. Poor Stacy is living in a fantasy if she ever believes that even ‘moderate’ muslims want to live together in peace with ‘infidels’.
    I had friends from Kuwait that told me in the 60s many muslims immigrated there to find work. Over the years their communities grew as they often had 9 kids and the christians only had 2 kids. They came to ‘live in peace’ but step by step took over the country. My friends said at first the majority of them were (in Stacy Doolan’s view) ‘moderate’, but as their numbers increased so did their boldness. 15 years ago my friends said they saw EXACTLY the same strategy being employed in the UK.
    That is the way they take over countries. Kuwait was a christian country just 50 years ago.

    1. Bobbi Hershaw

      Exactly what i feel and think. People like Stacy are living in lala land. All muslims want the same thing at the end of the day, moderate and extremists and if we dont all wake up then one day we will be just like Kuwait with no choice conform to Islam or die, Simple.

  14. adrian coulling

    If we dont do something soon , we will be know through out the world as THE UNITED KINGDOM OF ISLAM so wake up Britain before , or maybe it is to late!!!

  15. McDonald

    I love the comment about muslim moderates not being reformists. That is truly an important question. It is what Islam desperately needs to bring a 7th century religion into the 21st century. Sadly, there are not nearly enough.

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