EDL Demonstration in Dudley, 3rd April 2010 - No To The Mega-Mosque
Monday, 05 April 2010 15:27
It was 7 am, not the best of days to say the least, but nothing could keep me away. I was the first on the southern coach to Dudley. We had a few pick-ups to make on the way, we were not expecting to arrive in Dudley until around midday so i made myself comfortable. The coach was quiet, yet another chance to ponder on just why the government would betray the residents of Dudley like this. This is not just about a Mosque. If this £18m monstrosity is built, it will be the end for Dudley as the residents know it. Muslims will flock from all over, as they have in many towns and cities across the UK already and claim the area for their own. We cannot allow this to happen to another English town.
For an example of the attitudes of some localised black country Muslims please click here.
We had received overwhelming support from the public in Dudley, and despite what local councillors, faith groups etc had to say about our coming to the town, we have received overwhelming support from the locals over our plans. I always thought that councils spoke for the people, though i guess with their Politically Correct mindsets, they genuinely believe they are. These are the people who were prepared to "roll over" and admit defeat. The local council did not want this "Islamic Village", but big brother down at Westminster had spoken, so they must all bow.
A few hours have passed now, and the coach is alive with energy. I was so tied up in thought, i had forgotten to tell the driver that we were not to drive straight into Dudley, but had been instructed by police to stop at a motorway services nearby. I had to instruct the driver to pull off at the next junction so that he could turn around and join the others at the services.
On pulling off of the motorway, we were met by a group of around 15 police officers on motorcycles at the side of the road. They appeared to be having a briefing, and were very shocked to see our coach at the roundabout leading to Dudley. We were instantly surrounded and ordered to follow, and from there escorted back to the services. Here there were already a few hundred EDL supporters waiting.
Coaches were arriving, but the numbers at the services were much lower than i had expected. I had the feeling that this was the general feeling although the mood was great, and people were singing and waving flags. Coaches were still arriving so this was not a major concern. It was time to go to Dudley, there were approximately 4-500 supporters in the services and we began to board the coaches. We were led by police convoy towards Dudley, all the roads along the way were blocked by the police escort giving us free passage for the 6-7 mile trip. The streets were busy, and as we drew closer to the town the opposition to this Mosque was apparent. Residents were lining the streets clapping and cheering, tooting their car horns and even standing next to their cars which had been held up by the police blockades and welcoming us to the town. The atmosphere on the coaches was electric at this time, we knew now that we had the full support of the locals, as we have had at all of the demonstrations we have attended.
We arrived at the muster point, which was in the middle of the Dudley bypass, a dual-carriageway which had been closed due to the demonstration. We had chosen a site nearby, a car park. We did not want to cause disruption to the town centre, and also wanted to demonstrate in the vicinity of the proposed Islamic village and due to the numbers we had, expected the town centre would not have been a suitable venue to hold our demonstration in any case. We were greeted by a group of around 800 supporters who were already at the site, and all the while local residents were joining the muster point from both ends of the bypass. This was where it became apparent that this was to be our largest demonstration to date, though as the people of Dudley had their 20,000+ petition against the Mosque thrown in their faces by the government this did not surprise me. You will find a petition from“local” muslims to number 10 Downing Street here. You will also find an article about this in the Birmingham Mail here. you can also see how events panned out after this article here. Let us take note of some contributing factors to “community tensions”here, the local people of Dudley signed a petition against the building of this mosque, 22,000 signatures were collected, the Muslim community of Dudley raised 3,876 signatures in favour of building this mosque thats nowhere anything near the amount of people opposed to the building of this mosque yet permission was granted! The council, the local people of Dudley betrayed by a government hoping to secure the Muslim block vote in order to retain power in parliament!
This was not going to be a normal EDL demonstration. The residents of Dudley were angry at the betrayal of the government, especially the local youth who were already starting to get restless at the muster point. More groups were joining all of the time, so much so that we were delayed whilst waiting for around 10 coaches which had turned up late to the services. As well as the locals joining from all angles, there was a sizeable group of supporters who had arrived by train, bus and car who had been told to muster at another location. This group was escorted up to us, and at this point i would now estimate the group on the bypass to be at around 4000.
Once we were all present, we were slowly escorted to the demonstration point, where we were greeted by further supporters who had arrived directly at the site. We arrived at the demonstration point, the atmosphere was good and we were getting ready to commence the demonstration, though we could not help but notice that we were surrounded by high fencing. This was all around the demonstration point, and there was a very claustrophobic feeling in entering as the car park was set lower than the surrounding area. There was a happy, but slightly uneasy feeling in the air at this stage, but people were chatting and generally seemed to be having a good time. There were children, pensioners and people from all races and sexualities present. There were a few pink triangles on display at this demo, as well as flags from all across the world, though police had confiscated most of our flag poles at the services, despite an agreement beforehand that they would be permitted. This had become a normal mix at recent demonstrations as people begin to see through the media and far left lies.
The demonstration had begun, and our first speaker stepped up on the stage. Sareeta, a British Indian Sikh girl and her friend, who was of Caribbean appearance immediately made it clear that the English Defence League was not formed as an organisation which discriminated against individuals from an ethnic background other than English. Surprisingly there are still some narrow minded individuals and groups around in this day and age who will attempt to smear an organisation with these accusations for political gain, even though they know the accusations to be false. Also, Guramit gave a speech, and there was also a speech by a young girl with family in Russia. She gave her speech in Russian as a message of support for the recent Muslim Metro suicide bombings. Sareeta's speech, and the young girls speech can be found here. 
Unfortunately, whilst Sareeta was giving her speech, a mob had approached a corner of the cage surrounding us and started to throw bricks and bottles at us. This caused a surge towards the area, and the missiles were thrown back. Police officers outside the cage did nothing. They stood idly by as we were pelted with a barrage of missiles. This was the moment when some members of our group proceeded to shake the fences down in an attempt to chase the offenders away. We were completely defenceless from inside this makeshift cage, and though we do not condone violence, self defence is the right of every human being. As i mentioned , the police stood and did nothing from outside the cage, and left our stewards to attempt to diffuse the situation. Eventually the fences came down, and at this point the police officers who were standing at the safety of the exterior of the cage appeared to run away! Our stewards did a fantastic job at calming the crowd and containing them in the designated area alone, and as you can see by the video, no major disruption was caused.
There was a strong feeling of vulnerability now, what with police officers turning a blind eye to the missiles being directed at us, and with officers running away. Also, there was a sense of anger towards the police at their lack of action. Various groups, who i believe were local youths, were making attempts to leave the demonstration at this stage. The demonstration was now over, and after being caged for around an hour and a half we feel that we had made our point, and it was time to go.
All in all, the police should have handled the situation much better. One wonders if it was the intentions of West Midlands Police to cause infighting inside the demonstration, which did not happen. Why were the missile throwers allowed to continue to do that completely un-challenged by the 100's of officers? How were they able to reach our designated area with weapons? At the end of the day, there were just 9 arrests in total, and 6 of these were from the UAF contingent for carrying offensive weapons (knives were confiscated) and drugs. One of our marshals was injured by a bottle, and it is believed that this was caused whilst missiles were being thrown over the cage. We are studying video evidence on this incident.
All in all, the situation could have been handled much better by the police. But then again we are talking about West Midlands Police, the same police force who allowed rioting in Birmingham. Freedom of speech is a hard fought right for every British citizen to embrace, it looks like we will have to fight to retain that right, much is the pity.
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Comments
WMP appeared erratic and unprofessional in their handling of this demo; unlike the way the Met handled the Geert Wilders demo outside parliament, and also unlike the way the Greater Manchester Police handled the Bolton demo. The officers at those demos were polite, approachable, firm and fair, and it was clear their plans were well-executed.
We should expect such erratic and anti-democratic behaviour from WMP. Their actions would seem to be more fitting in a police state. When Channel 4 released the documentary "Undercover Mosque" (showing imams in preaching insurrection and violent homophobia), WMP chose to prosecute C4 instead of the imams. WMP lost the case and made sure that a court of law ruled that the programme was accurate.
THIS HAS TO STOP! Stop the building of more of these m..., I can't even write the word. JUST STOP. Not only in the UK but all over Europe.
SAY: NO MORE, NO MORE, NO MORE
GET UP STAND UP, STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS
I don't want to be a shadow, a dhimmy, do you???
If you love your country, then vote differently! Vote against Islam like we do in The Netherlands, GO GEERT!
WMP chose to prosecute C4 instead of the imams. WMP lost the case and made sure that a court of law ruled that the programme was accurate.
The main culprit is Anil Patani, the Assistant Chief Constable of West Midlands Police, who so happens to be 'Asian"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3558461/A-state-in-denial-needs-reality-checks.html
There were a few minor niggles (parking charges, Motorway service Manager saying we were not welcome there, Police not letting us know we were on the wrong side of the motorway, standing on the bypass for ages with no information ...... These were just annoying niggles ..... the Meet was GREAT!
The speakers were good and the people enjoyed a semi carnival atmosphere. There were Men Women and Kids(of all ages) showing a mutual support for both Dudley and the English culture of free speach and peacefull protest!
We were proud to be a part of this! We will be proud to be part of it again!
My only regret is that I did not stand up and be counted sooner.
What is this talk of surrender ... we are winning this battle!
The following is a letter printed in the paper......
POLICE DID GREAT JOBTO KEEP THE TWO FACTIONS APPART
I refer to a recent letter .... concerning the EDLdemonstratio n, which was critical of the police for allowing this rally.
Had you been in touch with events you would know that the police do not have the power to ban such demonstrations. Only the Home Secraty has this power, and he declined to exercise it in the interests of free speech. Quite rightly.
As for two demonstrations being held on the same day, the reality is that once the EDL had announced the date of their demonstration, the UAF chose to mount a counter demonstration.
They poured into Bolton by the busload, their purpose to disrupt the EDL rally by the use of violence and antagonistic methods for which they hoped the EDL would be blamed.
... part 2 to follow
From what I have sen of the reports of events, the police did a superb job of keeping the two factions appart. I also note that far more members of the UAF were arrested for violent behaviour than were members of the EDL.
They have nothing to be proud of. And what was the result of their demonstration?
Their greatist achievement was to attract the maximum amount of publicity for the cause of the EDL, far more than if they had chosen to ignore them.
The above appeared (names removed by me) in todays paper ....... we are still a current topic in Bolton
Thanks for your support.
Barnabas
Great demo!
(Good idea about bringin' a pig by the way!).
being from dudley its disgusting havin to have this mosque and no one in the goverment listens
is it true ur good selves will be back on the 17th of july..??
we live in dudley and dont want that mosque here wrote to mp's goverment etc etc etc no replies
thanks again from dudley folk very much appreciated
3% of old UK muslims support Al Qaeda; 13% of young muslims support Al Qaeda (
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6309983.stm). Appeasement and multi-culturalism have failed.
If you muslims don't get your house in order, islam will be banned. It can be done:churches are illegal in Saudia Arabia. The Algerian muslims kicked out the non-muslims from the mid 1950s, telling them to leave "by the suitcase or the coffin".
So grow up "saladin". Become a patriotic Brit, and kick out extremists. This is not an islamic country, despite what you think.
Re Algeria: read history, who had occupied whose land?? Saudi Arabia: i don't like the regime. But would they allow a mosque in the vatican city??
Define patriotism. I am a law abiding london born guy of [censored]stani heritage. I pay my taxes, buy british when i can, i believe in secular liberal democracy, i have white friends etc and i am not alone, many muslims are the same. What about rich white britons who leave uk to avoid paying taxes- what about their patriotism? what about rich businessmen who open factories in india etc to avoid high costs while there is unemployment here?? Patriotic??
Are you not just nazis and mosleys in disguise?
It is time Muslims stopped trying to be "cool" then. If it is in someone's mindset to think it's "cool" to support Al-Qaida, then they are disturbed.
Sharia is not welcome in the UK in any way, shape or form.
Saudi Arabia is a huge counry, your argument is weak. Name a single country in the world that has banned the building of Mosques. (There are none at the time of writing this, though i cant imagine it will be long before they are banned in many!)
As for patriotism, you understand how Muslims can say that they support Al-Qaida to be "cool". That says it all. If i am mistaken, i apologise.
It may be huge (mostly desert) but my point stands- would they allow a tiny corner shop of a mosque in the vatican?
Re sharia- go to your local banks like HSBC who offer sharia compliant mortgages + loans and tell them no sharia!!
Yet you choose the name Saladin
That alone about sums up where you are coming from
the Muslims are divided as Ashrafs and Ajlafs. Ashrafs claim a superior status derived from their foreign ancestry.
The non-Ashrafs are assumed to be converts from Hinduism, and are therefore drawn from the indigenous population
What a joke, a [censored]stani moslem calling the EDL racist
Moslems occupied algeria,in a drawn-out process of conquest and conversion stretching from 670 to 711, Uqba ibn Nafi,
Uqba aside from cunning he was also a fierce and sometimes brutal towards the enemies of Islam and carried out war and collected the poll tax against them.
He was rumored to cut off body parts and taken people as slaves in his operations "in order to show them a lesson". He was thoroughly convinced of Arab superiority in the tradition of islamic racism.
There are 8.8 million foreigners in Saudi Arabia
The largest expatriate communities in Saudi Arabia include one million to 1.5 million people each from Bangladesh, India and [censored]stan,
Human Rights Watch documented how foreigners detained in Saudi Arabia have been denied consular visits and forced to sign confessions that they could not read. The report includes cases of beheading in which the embassies and families of the condemned men were not informed of the executions until after they were carried out.
There are no legal welfare funds for these migrant workers if they have some accident or some serious sickness and need medical payments. When they become physically disabled or not able to continue their work for the company, they are abandoned or thrown out of the company like waste material, or they stay unnoticed as their presence is denied.
The Strange Rise of Modern India by Edward Luce. :D)
You completely side-step the issue. Surveys show that significant numbers of muslims in the UK want sharia law, and even support Al Qaeda
(http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6309983.stm). By dismissing these surveys you are proving you are one of those blind muslims who does not take the rising islamic extremism seriously.
In fact, you make threats that things will get worse if we to stand up to you and your kind. Expect to see 3 million people in the General Election voting for parties opposed to islamization.
We're not taking your threats any more.
Ihe Kabyle Berbers?
This group is the most active in promoting Berber identity.
Whereas Algeria's constitution says Islam is the state religion and Arabic the official language, the Kabyles see their cultural and linguistic heritage in pre-Islamic North Africa.
After Algeria gained independence in 1962, the Kabyles confronted the new government.
The(FFS), founded by war hero Hocine Ait Ahmed, led a two-year rebellion from 1963 to 1965.
The Berber Cultural Movement organised a rally in 1990 in Algiers to call for language recognition.
The same demand was behind a school boycott in the Berber region from September 1994 to April 1995.
Racism is un-islamic? Yet muslims ran the slave trade in black Africans for 1300 years (Azumah,Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa,2001).
Islam subjugates all people, most especially women and slaves, and islamic imperialism was founded on, and thrived on, slavery. As late as the 1960s, islamic jurists in Persia were saying there is nothing un-islamic about slavery (Sultan Tabandeh, Muslim Commentary on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1966).
And for the 300 years leading up to 1816, muslims were attacking ships across the mediterranean and the atlantic, and enslaved 1 million white europeans (Milton,White Gold,2004).
You have no shame. You try threats, and if that fails you think you can take the high ground by making allegations of racism.
If you are opposed to sharia law and against islamic extremism, then why are you opposed to EDL? There are muslims in EDL who put their loyalty to this country first. They are disgusted by British muslims who prefer to identify with Iraqis, Bosnians and Afghans instead of identifying with the rest of the British people.
We've waited long enough for moderate muslims to stand up to extremists, and it hasn't happened. Now moderate muslims can join with us and oppose extremism, or they can remain silent and demonstrate that they do not object to the extremists.
Ah ha The hindu caste system is not based on race
Re sharia law, ask any english socialist do they want market capitalism or a socialist commune- what do you think they will say? A muslim may say sharia in a way that is the ideal for them but not that they want to bring it here.
You are the bigot - views by just 1 of the [censored]stani members of EDL:http://www.englishdefencel eague.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=159:a-[censored]stani -member-of-the-english-defence-league-speaks-out&catid=42:feature-stories . Of course, he's had death threats from your "Religion of Peace".
You have no arguments, so you shout "racist", even when islamic extremism is opposed by sikhs and black people:
http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/04/04/photographs-from-the-english-defence-league-demonstration-in-dudley-on-3-april-2010/
List the muslim groups you're in that are opposing extremism. Prove you're not a liar and a bigot.
You're a liar. 37% of young adult muslims in Britain would prefer sharia law here. It's in the survey. Where's your survey that shows this is not true?
In another survey 65% of the general public were tolerant of homosexuality. But that survey could not find 1 muslim in the sample of 1000 who was tolerant of homosexuality. Muslims want us to tolerate their intolerance.
The biggest socialist party in this country is the Labour Party. You will not find 37% of the young adult members of that party who want to live in a socialist commune.
EDL is going to bring this information to people up and down the country. Thank you for your assistance.
As regards 3 million voters picking anti islamic parties, well there is only 1 & that is bnp so thanks for making my point that you are nothing less than ignorant bigoted losers in life using xenophobia to make your lives a little more interesting.
Waste of time and space & you will be history soon like the nazis who dreamt of a 1000 years reich but were gone in 12!
I'm a rational person. The survey I linked to that you ignore, shows the majority of UK muslims do not want to live under sharia. But it also shows that it is the older generation (who left islamic countries) that don't want it. The failure of UK governments has allowed the younger generation to increasingly clamour for sharia here. That is what EDL is fighting against.
Thank you for your frank admission that you (like the other so-called moderate muslims) are doing nothing to stop the extremists. It's exactly what I expected to hear. You want to stand around crying "racist" and "bigot" at anyone who draws attention to the problem, even when those people are asian or black.
You sound like you are frothing at the mouth. We can see your own racism (asian or black people who disagree with you are "tokens"). We are judging muslims like you by what you fail to do, and by what you say. Again, thank you for your assistance in this matter.
Like the vast majority of EDL supporters, I despise nazis. Muslims have hated jews for 1300 years. In many muslim countries Mein Kampf is a bestseller.
I urge people to support UKIP and their policy to restore our national identity and stop the islamization of this country. http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/1447-restoring-britishness-ukip-policy
so have you gone down to your local hsbc branch to say no to their shariah compliant mortgages, finance deals or to jewish areas to tell them there is only 1 law so no jewish courts?
And can you give me one example where muslims are forcing sharia in the UK on to anyone or want to? Wanting something does not equal working for it or wanting to force it on. My wife may want a meat free society but she is not going to force that on anyone even if she could! End of the day edl is a racist bigoted organisation using 9/11 to manufacture hatred against a minority- something europe has a history of doing so.
You also said something earlier on about islam & women- funny then that most converts to islam are women- like my sister in law- a white woman!
We can let the people who read this thread in months to come see whether you are rational or bigoted.
Anti-semitism is disgusting, just like racism. I have been to EDL demos with jewish friends. Are they anti-semitic too in this bizarre world you inhabit?
The treatment of jews by europeans has been a stain on european civilization. But of course you would rather lie and assert that muslims have treated jews well. Jews were tolerated by your people at some times, as long as they paid "protection money" and accepted "muslim superiority": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism
In 2010 jews are being forced to leave european cities because of muslim anti-semitism: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/29/hate-crimes-force-jews-out-of-malmo/
My ancestors and my religion never persecuted jews.
Are your jewish friends real or imaginary like the muslims of edl?? Or are they real and followers of the racist settlers who want to ethnic cleanse arabs from their own land?!
I never said Muslims have been perfect with jews but we have a better record than you- we have not gassed jewish babies, that is your unique contribution to treating minorities.
At the end of the day you/edl will never convince me or other muslims & the media/wider public that you are nothing less than racists and bigots. I only have to look at your 'faces' and words at rallies and on this website to come to that conclusion.
Muslims like me (the majority even by your own surveys) want to live in peace in a secular liberal democracy under 1 law for all and equality. That would be undermined by extremists both within the minority muslim camp and by bnp, edl.
Muslims are supposed to be 3% of the population, yet 11% of meat is halal. Your religious principles are already being forced upon us. KFC has turned 86 of its foot outlets to halal only, yet nowhere do they have a sign on the window informing their customers of this.
I feel sorry for the women foolish enough to convert to islam - it may end up being a one-way street (the BBC survey shows 36% of 16-24 year-old UK muslims believe that if a muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death). Sharia discriminates against women: http://maryamnamazie.blogspot.com/2008/12/call-for-end-to-sharia-courts-after.html
Again, your bigotry and arrogance blind you. You assume that I am a european and that my ancestors killed jews. I'm an immigrant here, and as I told you, my ancestors and my religion have never harmed jews.
I don't know a single racist person. But everyone I know is hostile to islam.
The Taliban along with Al-Qaeda want to kill not only non-Muslims but everyone who does not conform to there ideas.
That is why we are hostile towards Islam. They have the worst and most evil regimes in the history of mankind along with Hitlers regime.
We are not racist we just want to live in a peaceful world but Islam will never let us.
Everyday innocent people are killed in the name of Allah and this has been going on for 1400 years.
Again your bigotry and prejudice are manifest. You were the one who claimed that slavery under islam was better than in the US. And the US did fight a civil war to end slavery. Islamic countries did not - slavery was only abolished in Saudi Arabia in 1962. The white slave trade only ended when gunboats demolished Algiers in 1816.
I was opposed to the sanctions against Iraq, and I was opposed to the invasion. You wanted to establish your Britishness earlier, but clearly you blame all Britons for the sanctions against Iraq.
That's your choice. But it is you who has a closed mind about EDL. The number of people on the past 3 EDL demos has gone from 500, to 2000, to 4000.
Muslims are not integrating into our society. And they need to be integrating. Giving in to the demands of muslims has failed; the younger generation are increasingly fundamentalist. Because of this failure, EDL is calling for a halt on all mosque construction.
If the people supporting EDL simply wanted a BNP government, they'd be out campaigning for the BNP. It's time you stopped your childish accusations of racism.
Re worse regimes- stalin, pol pot, franco, spanish inquisition, genocide of native americans by european powers, WW1, medieval wars like the 100 year war etc etc. Europe + other non muslims nations have produced their fair share of tyrants. The ones around today are not even Islamic like Qadaffi and late saddam both are/were secular.
He still continues to send young female suicide bombers known as *Black Widows* to kill innocent Russians. May all the victims rest in peace.
It was very fitting to have a Russian girl leading the march in Dudley.
The EDL are doing a wonderful job. Thank God somebody is standing up for this country and against the evil terrorism that threatens us all.
And what land would that be?
Sahih Bukhari Vol 4, Book 53, No392:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
According to the perfect role model for ALL Muslims for ALL times, ALL land belongs to the Muslims.
thank you 'sheikh peter' for your insight in to Islam, quoting 1 hadith out of 1,000s & out of context- making it out Muslims seek nothing but to take over other countries/people when that is not the case. Look at your own imperialist past....the Britih empire was not given up voluntarily, if it was not for being bankrupt 1945 (as now) UK would still be a colonial power.
i wrote a lot more yesterday but -surprise surprise- it was censored despite not using any profanity etc. & I was blocked so i had to start again with a new id! Typical response from a fascist organisation!
Pointless debating on line with this restriction! My final point: there is a problem with some muslims who are not integrating -agree - but edl are not the solution but part of the problem as you only seek to drive more divisions and create more bad feelings within/between communities.
I'm not surprised to hear some of your comments have been blocked. We can see from what was not blocked that you have been aggressive, immoderate, abusive, and mendacious. You give yourself the name of a warlord (saladin), you falsely call EDL fascist and racist. Lord only knows what was in your comments that were NOT permitted.
EDL may not be the solution. Have a read of this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/main-parties-accused-of-failing-to-confront-the-bnp-1936714.html
It is admitted that the 3 main parties AND the media have conspired to thwart the democratic process. And still the BNP is expected to get 12% of the vote.
People like me will suffer from a BNP govt. But it is worth it to stop islamization.
I'm so grateful to you. You prove time and again how "moderate" muslims like you are only interested in supporting other muslims, and will not listen to reason.
You defend Chechen terrorists, yet you attack Israelis. Everywhere islam has gone it has "ethnically cleansed" people from the area. Who was in Medina before Mo ethnically cleansed it? Jews. Islam spread from the Arabian peninsula and wiped out hindus, buddhists, christians, and jews. See M.A.Khan (2009) Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery (he's an ex-muslim).
If I had been brought up a muslim I too would have become an ex-muslim.
And what context of "the Earth belongs to Allah and his apostle" were you referring to? Is all land supposed to be dar al-Islam or isn't it? Should ALL land be given back to the Muslims or shouldn't it - Islamically speaking?
"I am one of the servants of Allah. We do our duty of fighting for the sake of the religion of Allah. It is also our duty to send a call to all the people of the world to enjoy this great light and to embrace Islam and experience the happiness in Islam. Our primary mission is nothing but the furthering of this religion."
Osama bin Laden, May 1998
You're not being entirely honest with us are you mr Taqiyya?
It wasn't just arab muslims. It was also european muslims (are you forgetting about the 2 Bosnian muslim divisions of the SS)?
French muslims from north Africa fought for France in WW2. Muslims in that area wanted to be westernized. Since the 1960s we've seen muslims in north Africa, and latterly in europe itself, becoming islamified.
Europeans have been too tolerant of islam. It was a mistake to believe the best of you and your religion. We've woken up and read the Koran. It was a mistake to assume your religion was a religion of peace and love, like christianity and buddhism. Even those religions could be turned to war, but unlike islam they don't contain instructions for war, pillage and slavery.
I wish everyone would read the Koran or the Sira and see the truth.
Re taqiya- time & time again we get this accusation- deception-it is not from our tradition (orthodox islam), may be some muslims have learnt it from blair, bush, western media, etc?? You are permitted to lie to save your life, make peace between people & avoid fall outs- if you understood that you'd see the sense behind it.
i suspect you may be of south asian non muslim origin, perhaps joining the anti islamic campaign for historical reasons-partition? Carrying emotional luggage Maybe?
Where did i defend chechen terrorists? I said look at both sides-1000s of them have been killed.
I am familiar with Khan's work & the 'gang' of ex muslims working through faith freedom, ibn warraq etc. Even western non muslim academics have attacked the quality of their research. It is not true non muslims have been ethnic cleansed across the board- there are non muslims in muslim nations. That is not to deny or excuse where it happened though or ill treatmet of non muslims today say copts in egypt. Muslims have been ethnic cleansed in spain, bosnia- just 10 years ago when they wanted to live in a multi ethnic state.
i told you i was at a conference late last year where bnp were invited by an islamic oragnisation as well as edl. The bnp guy admitted there that the islamification of england story line was just their way to exploit and develop anti immigration feelings in this country. Anyone with 1 brain cell knows UK is not being turned in to an islamic state - e.g. of kfc was really scraping the barell. If non white people are foolish enough to support edl/bnp out of hysterical anti islamic stance then they are really deserving of what may befall them.
Your suspicion is wrong. I'm sorry for you that you cannot think that someone might be opposed to islam on rational grounds.
For years I argued against racists who hated what they called 'p**kis'. Then I decided I really should learn about what I was defending.
We've spent the last few days going over the historical associations of islam with racism, slavery and nazism solely because you have been portraying any critic of islam as a "racist" or a "nazi". I'm neither of those things.
I wanted you (and others) to recognize that the world is complex. The UK has serious problems that no political party is tackling. Except the BNP. And that is very worrying to someone like me.
I know full well the "conference" you are referring to. The BNP spokesman was an idiot. EDL did not attend. SIOE were invited but pulled out, because they were listed as right-wing when they are apolitical.
As for islamization. Hizb ut Tehrir appears to have as many members as BNP, and HuT makes the BNP look like LibDems. The muslim population of the UK in 2001 was 3%, yet 10% of meat in 2005 was halal, and 12% of prisoners in 2009 were muslims. How is it HuT has so many members from 2 million muslims if an islamic state is no threat?
The only thing worse than a BNP government, would be a HuT government.
That quote was just one example. There are thousands like that worldwide. It appears that you are missing the point anyway. My point was: is Allah for a global jihad? Was Muhammad - whos sunnah you must follow - for a Global Jihad?
Bukhari (52:271) Recounts the murder of the poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.
In another example, after Kaybar had been conquered, al-Hajjaj b.‘Ilat al-Sulami asked permission of Muhammad to retrieve money owed him by some merchants of Mecca. Muhammad gave permission but al-Hajjaj said, “I must tell lies, O apostle.” Muhammad said, “Tell them” (Ibn Ishaq 519).
taqiyya and kitman are also permitted in situations where the furthering of Islam is the objective.
"The Religion before God is Islam (submission to His will): nor did the people of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account." (The Holy Qur'an, 3:19)
SURRENDER NOW:
إِنَّ ٱلدِّينَ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ ٱلۡإِسۡلَـٰمُۗ وَمَا ٱخۡتَلَفَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبَ إِلَّا مِنۢ بَعۡدِ مَا جَآءَهُمُ ٱلۡعِلۡمُ بَغۡيَۢا بَيۡنَهُمۡۗ وَمَن يَكۡفُرۡ بِـَٔايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ سَرِيعُ ٱلۡحِسَابِ
"The Religion before God is ISLAM (submission/SURRENDERING to His will): nor did the people of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account." (The Holy Qur'an, 3:19)
SURRENDER NOW:
إِنَّ ٱلدِّينَ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ ٱلۡإِسۡلَـٰمُۗ وَمَا ٱخۡتَلَفَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبَ إِلَّا مِنۢ بَعۡدِ مَا جَآءَهُمُ ٱلۡعِلۡمُ بَغۡيَۢا بَيۡنَهُمۡۗ وَمَن يَكۡفُرۡ بِـَٔايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ سَرِيعُ ٱلۡحِسَابِ
"The Religion before God is ISLAM (submission/SURRENDERING to His will): nor did the people of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account." (The Holy Qur'an, 3:19)
SURRENDER NOW:
إِنَّ ٱلدِّينَ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ ٱلۡإِسۡلَـٰمُۗ وَمَا ٱخۡتَلَفَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبَ إِلَّا مِنۢ بَعۡدِ مَا جَآءَهُمُ ٱلۡعِلۡمُ بَغۡيَۢا بَيۡنَهُمۡۗ وَمَن يَكۡفُرۡ بِـَٔايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ سَرِيعُ ٱلۡحِسَابِ
"The Religion before God is ISLAM (submission/SURRENDERING to His will): nor did the people of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account." (The Holy Qur'an, 3:19)
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE WILL NEVER SURRENDER
BLACKS,WHITES,S IKHS AND HINDUS AND ANY OTHER RACE WHO WANTS TO ENTER THE FIGHT AGAINST EVIL ISLAM WILL NEVER SURRENDER
SO I WILL MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR
WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER EDL.
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